Hi Gigi.  No there wasn’t lightning, I’m sure we wouldn’t have landed in Phoenix if there was.  If the airline didn’t have the gate for us, they shouldn’t have let us leave Las Vegas. 

What the point was that I didn’t do a good job of getting accross is that first for over three hours in Las Vegas, we were told not to leave the boarding area, then when we landed in Phoenix we were told we couldn’t leave our seats, again for 3 hours.  And I do think that AWA should have planned better and if nothing else got some sort of ground trasportation from our holding position to the terminal, even let us walk. 

To me, it all boils down to poor planning by AWA.  By the way, there was no one to meet the plane once we got to the gate to direct connecting passenger on where to go, let alone apoligize for the missteps.

I’m sorry this is still so frustrating to you.  And you have every right to be.  Everything you says seems very logical, which I’m not disputing.  And I totally agree with most of your frustration.  However, it is not as easy as it sounds.  Airstairs are authorized by the City of Phoenix, takes time.  FAA controls whether a plane leaves or not, so I guess the better solution would have been just to cancel the flight.  I’m sure it would have eliminated not only your frustration but others.  I can’t tell you how sorry I am that you completely blame America West and can’t see any other side. 

I’m out.

Don’t forget from your years of working with the airline Phx husker, that the arriving city is the airport that clears you for take off.  So while your in las vegas waiting, phoenix storming and they feel the weather will clear in suffiecient time to have planes take off on an hour flight and mother nature does her thing and bang lightening back over the airport, not able to fuel the jets there to get them out of the gate for you.  Now you are in the air coming to phx who cleared your takeoff and they (the tower) let you continue.  When you land the circle of the storm has moved on again.  Should you have had to wait for a gate once landed? Certainly not.  Did the tower ask AWA if they would have empty gates when they cleared your flight?  I honestly don’t know how that works, GIGI?  But I do know that not all planes can use all gates.  Southwest is lucky that we fly only 737’s and gates are pretty much the same, so the planes in most cases can use any open gate.  But AWA has big planes, little planes and jumbo planes and maybe they do have restrictions on what gates they can use.  I know when we started flying the 737-700 series are jetways had to have a major overall because they stood taller than the 200 300 and 500 series.  So why we worked on jetways it could get a little hairy.  Now there is that gate 1 at LAX, there’s a wait there as you have to be towed into the gate. 
Come up with a plan how the airlines could rectify this, and would work in every single situration without exception.  Maybe communication with the tower and the airline?  Propose it and then you’d be part of the solution instead of a problem.  Luv ya!!

kewl thread keep it goin’

Desertraine hasn’t posted on this for awhile.  I’m surprised.  Bring it on, tell me I’m wrong.

Love your blog!  I know that when we’re delayed on the tarmac, which was actually recently in PHX, the pilots communicate with the f/a’s and let us know how long we can expect to be there.  The one I was on recently, they were sending me up to LAS to meet up with a crew and go from there.  We were stuck on the tarmac and next to go, but due to weather in LAS, we couldn’t go, and we were going to be stuck on the tarmac for about 30 mins.  I know the chimes over the intercom, so I know that the pilots had communicated with that crew, and with the info they had gotten, they made the announcement that we could use our cell phones and electronic devices.. If someone asked for water, the f/a’s got it for them, but as soon as we got clearance, an announcement was made, cell phones and electronic devices turned off, and we were off!  I don’t know why HP did that to the pax.. there really is no reason.. the only thing I could think of was the lack of communication between the pilots and f/a’s, which is imperative that they start doing that.. I would hate to think if there was something more serious, no crew members should be left out of the loop..

I just noticed that you noticed I haven’t posted in awhile.. between the ear issue, and the issue a couple of weeks ago, I was trying to do things to get those issues off my mind, but I’m back!!  sorry!! I missed everyone!

The California legislature just passed a similiar measure that was knocked down in New York.  The California legislature feels confident that their measure could stand up in court.  The California governor has not yet taken a stand on the measure.

“In the rural areas, we believe in spanking,” said Republcan Assemblyman Kevin Jeffries of Lake Elsinore. “And this is a time we should spank the airlines.”

If the governor signs it, we’ll see how it holds up in court.

The courts shouldn’t be involved in this.  Funny how big business (and for that matter the ‘religious right’) talks about the ‘liberal’ judges when the courts rule against them.  But big business, this time airlines, jump into the courtroom when legislatures do something they don’t like...........

Instead of going after the airlines personally the government first needs to upgrade the FAA equipment and personel.  Once the FAA is updated into the 21st century then let the government throw their stones, till then back off. 

What the legislature has nothing better to focus on except for getting on the band wagon for
publicity and right now the airlines is where the publicity is.  How about the economy?

An airline does not want delays.  They want to take off on time.  An airline makes no money when their planes are sitting on the ground only when in the air, so why would the airline want a delay if they could help it? 

I do agree no plane should sit on the runway for an extended period of time and when it happens it’s bad and maybe working with the airports, equipment could be brought out to the plane in the middle of a snow storm and take the paxs off the plane.  I’m sure not a single one of them would complaim if they were cold or had to walk outside, or if raining with lighting and wind sheer, would mind getting a little wet or blown over. People are always sooo pleasant and willing to do what every to help out.  Wow Soap Box!!

I think your response is pretty funny Phx Husker, no offense.  I just believe there are reason’s for everything.  Do you know why you waited on either end of your flights?  Or was it just ‘rumor’ from other angry passengers?  Also, give me an example of how any bill will fix the issue with weather delays.

Regards

Kuroro

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Hello Kuroro21.  I’m glad you’re here.  We need need more people here.

My situation was such a long time ago, I’m over it.  As far a bill goes, if the airlines knew that they had conseqences they would plan differently.  Such as plan ahead by putting extra fuel on a plane if there is a possiblity of the plane have problems making to the destination; backing out a jet parked at a gate, after emptying the passenger off so a different plane could deplane its passengers.

The airline then turns around and charges more for amenities and fares.They really do that..

Regards

Scotte

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What was the end result of this again?

I’ve been busy so I haven’t been on top of this topic.  Hopefully someone else has.  I do remember reading some headline about some type of legislation concerning the situation.  Maybe, when I get the chance, I’ll research it further.

Ithink this bill of rights at this pt is just about the tarmac. but in regards to inconvenience in the name os security this bill is of little use.